Sorry, Kevin, but you are throwing out absolutes. I made no absolute claims and never declared the Concordias irredeemable.
It is indisputable that the Concordias have suffered a terrible infusion of capital L Liberalism, which was most apparent at flamed out Portland. Yes, I only support a path that excludes Pride Clubs, DEI, Wokeism, Sy…
Sorry, Kevin, but you are throwing out absolutes. I made no absolute claims and never declared the Concordias irredeemable.
It is indisputable that the Concordias have suffered a terrible infusion of capital L Liberalism, which was most apparent at flamed out Portland. Yes, I only support a path that excludes Pride Clubs, DEI, Wokeism, Syncretism, Unionism, and Fourth Commandment Rebellions, to name just a few issues.
Errant churches. I will not name them here, although I have gently raised a terrible problem at a nearby church with my district leadership after seeing if the congregation could right their ship after year. Here's one simple litmus test - lay lectors. If you have them, your church is errant. Scripture and the confessions are clear that our pastors alone are to handle the Word of God during the Divine Service.
Whenever I cite the Confessions as claiming something, I always give the exact reference so that people can debate and challenge me as to whether I have interpreted the words of the Confessions accurately.
Could you please tell me your proof texts for the claim that only an ordained minister can "handle the Word of God during the Divine Service." I am very familiar with the Confessions and I have never read anything that even closely resembles such a claim.
In fact, it goes against one of the core teachings of Lutheranism, namely that the Word of God is for every person, not just the clergy. Why should the Divine Service be any different?
Your claim makes the pastor elevated in a Roman Catholic way so that the man is somehow special because of his ordination. "Ordination" has to do with "order." It doesn't make him somehow closer to God or make it so that now he has special access to God.
This discounting of the laity is insulting to the people of God and is not taught in the Confessions.
If you have proof, please show me. Otherwise, what you claim is heretical.
Good response. I ask for Confessional proof and you check out and leave the discussion.
I should be surprised, but it happens every time that I encounter someone from your camp that preaches these restrictive and burdensome practices. You can make claims all day but you can't back any of them up and you refuse to do so.
I guess as long as you don't put yourself out there, you get to keep teaching whatever you want to teach.
Sorry, Kevin, but you are throwing out absolutes. I made no absolute claims and never declared the Concordias irredeemable.
It is indisputable that the Concordias have suffered a terrible infusion of capital L Liberalism, which was most apparent at flamed out Portland. Yes, I only support a path that excludes Pride Clubs, DEI, Wokeism, Syncretism, Unionism, and Fourth Commandment Rebellions, to name just a few issues.
Errant churches. I will not name them here, although I have gently raised a terrible problem at a nearby church with my district leadership after seeing if the congregation could right their ship after year. Here's one simple litmus test - lay lectors. If you have them, your church is errant. Scripture and the confessions are clear that our pastors alone are to handle the Word of God during the Divine Service.
Best,
TJ
Hi, TJ.
Whenever I cite the Confessions as claiming something, I always give the exact reference so that people can debate and challenge me as to whether I have interpreted the words of the Confessions accurately.
Could you please tell me your proof texts for the claim that only an ordained minister can "handle the Word of God during the Divine Service." I am very familiar with the Confessions and I have never read anything that even closely resembles such a claim.
In fact, it goes against one of the core teachings of Lutheranism, namely that the Word of God is for every person, not just the clergy. Why should the Divine Service be any different?
Your claim makes the pastor elevated in a Roman Catholic way so that the man is somehow special because of his ordination. "Ordination" has to do with "order." It doesn't make him somehow closer to God or make it so that now he has special access to God.
This discounting of the laity is insulting to the people of God and is not taught in the Confessions.
If you have proof, please show me. Otherwise, what you claim is heretical.
Okay, Kevin, you played the heretic and Catholic card, lol. I see where this is going. Best wishes. Over and out.
Good response. I ask for Confessional proof and you check out and leave the discussion.
I should be surprised, but it happens every time that I encounter someone from your camp that preaches these restrictive and burdensome practices. You can make claims all day but you can't back any of them up and you refuse to do so.
I guess as long as you don't put yourself out there, you get to keep teaching whatever you want to teach.