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William M. Cwirla's avatar

The Vehse/Schleiermacher connection may be more coincidental than correlative or causative. Not to be neglected in this discussion is the influence the early PIetism of Arndt and Spener. Walther draws his doctrine of the priesthood of believers directly from Spener's "Geistliche Priestertum" which he terms a "precious little book." This, in turn, relies on a cherry-picked reading of Luther, who wrote all sorts of things related to the office of the ministry.

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I do not know, from what David Scaer has his information about Vehse and Schleiermacher. But when you read the Vehse texts you will find that he is arguing not with Schleiermacher but with Veit von Seckendorff who was more than a hundred years earlier. And the doctrine of Walther is not false, but the Biblical one. Also Peter has that the royal priesthood should spread the good news, in these verses. As have Luther and our confessions, especially the Tract about the Primacy of the Pope and the Power of the Bishops. And the Bible has it also in Matt. 16:13-20; 18:15-20; John 20:21-23; 1 Cor. 3:21-23. Please be careful now in Missouri, since there are, sad to say, romanizing tendencies by some in the clergy.

About the Stephan case, that is difficult now to reexamine. That is a historical question first. And as far as I know there hat been several women who confessed, independent of each other, that they had been in sinful relations with M. Stephan. P. Loeber has examined that very carefully. And the way Stephan has treated the immigrants, was horrible too. Might be, that lateron he changed the way of acting, when having a new congregation. But there had been investigations against him even in Saxony. There is no reason to rehabilitate Stephan or even Grabau (as there are tendencies too).

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